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  Straight from I.C., there is a new Talent in the last Obernewtyn book!
  A one-off, or are the Misfits still evolving?
  
  Let's get down to business 8)
  
  Are we finally going to find out Gavyn's secret perhaps? He's always been just a little bit shady if you ask me...
  Or maybe Elspeth's killing power is going to be exposed. Does anyone sometimes think that more Misfits have this power, and that like Elspeth, they just don't want to talk about it?
  
  It could even be the Dreamtrail ability that both Elspeth and Matthew seem to be gaining more control of. Could be very handy in The Sending when traveling to the Red Queen's Land/free running barud.
  
  
  Or something new entirely...
   
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  I'm going to be racking my brain trying to come up with something plausible.
  
  The first thing I wondered was whether it would be a talent that would manifest in someone we already know, or whether a new character would come into play. Both have occurred in the books so far.
  
  Maybe Ariel has some strange sadistic ability that makes it so easy for him to completely dishevel the minds of talented misfits?
  
   
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  Aaah, Ariel!
  Of course, we've yet to go into his Talent. And like Gavyn, I don't think we've ever really discovered how his powers work.
  It was described as something like "empathy turned inside-out" wasn't it? Maybe a coercing/empath hybrid? I mean a mixture of the two powers, not just a Misfit possessing them both.
  Did anyone else find it strange in TSK that a few empath-coercers just popped up? I remember when it was such a big deal that Dragon had that combination.
  I s'pose it's rarity was just being toned down to make way for something bigger and better?...
   
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  Where? Where? Where did we find this out?
  
  I think if it's going to be a 'new' talent it can't just be an explanation of something we've seen before, so I doubt it'd be Elspeth's killing power. The fact she can do that would be new to the other misfits, but not to us.
  
  I reckon Ariel is definitely in as a major possiblilty for being the holder of this new talent. It's always been completely unsatisfactory that he managed to be at Obernewtyn for all that time with all those misfits, and not a single person has any idea whatsoever what it is he's meant to be able to do. Surely if he was a futureteller someone would've seen him in a trance, or he would've tried his coercive talent on someone who could recognise it, or something! ELf's always just written it off as him being a bit loony and maybe his talent is deformed in some way, but I definitely think he could have a different talent.
  
  The question is, what?
  
  We can already see the future, make people see things that aren't there (Dragon), make people feel things that aren't theirs, make people do things they don't want to, talk to people over long distances, heal, talk to animals, fiddle with technology and kill. What's left? Inivisibility, super speed, ability to steal someone's life force - wait, that's X-Men :P
  
  The senses haven't all be convered, Dragon can make you see things that aren't there but most of the others can't. I guess a powerful enough coercer could make you think you touched / smelt / heard / tasted something that wasn't there, although maybe not. Can Elf make you think you saw something? I don't think she can... So I don't think regular coercers can mess with your senses that much, Dragon fiddles with your fear so you kind of create the things you see with her help... Maybe the new talent will be about one of the other senses? Taste would be the most useless though "We can't go in there, I taste ginger!" Bit like synethesia really :P
   
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  Ooooh :D fantastic!
  
  It could mean we'll find out what Rushton's talent actually IS (she's mentioned that it's not latent like they all first think, but a talent in itself before) if it's something that's already there/semi-defined.
  
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  "We can't go in there, I taste ginger!"

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  What about Teleportation?
  Wait, that's more like Dreamtrails :P so already been done.
  Okay...Wiki's list of Psychic abilities: ~Link~
  
  We should take bets on what it'll be if its a new one :D
   
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  Oh! Oh! I've got it! I was thinking about the senses, and then I thought:
  
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  Rushton can see dead people!
   
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  PMSL!!! Good one :P
  
  

  Where? Where? Where did we find this out?

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  Isobelle paid a visit to our chatbox today :)
  
  
   
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  What about Teleportation?

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  PML! When I posted on Facebook that IC had left a chatbox message, Agyllian said "maybe she's going to make Brydda's teleportation talent legitimate" ;D
  It was intentional the whole time! :P
   
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  maybe the new talent is another one of Elspeths?
  has anyone considered that?
  maybe she found out about like she found out about the killing power.
  she used it when is was needed, awakened it.
  
  there is the killing power so why not more voilent powers? i guess most powers could be used for evil rather than good, but what of a more consentrated one?
  maybe leaving the person in pain like a paraslying power.
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  What about Teleportation?

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  PML! When I posted on Facebook that IC had left a chatbox message, Agyllian said "maybe she's going to make Brydda's teleportation talent legitimate" ;D
  It was intentional the whole time! :P
  

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  ;D
  
  What about transformation? Someone could transform into an animal like in american indian legends. Yes, I can see it, Elf could transform into one of Jak's bugs and eat her way through the Blacklands ;P. No, no, I mean it would be good if you could transform into a wolf or something like that.
  
  This is really going to keep me thinking :nod:
  
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  "We can't go in there, I taste ginger!"
  

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  This has been cracking me up all day XD.
  
  
   
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  What about transformation? Someone could transform into an animal like in american indian legends. Yes, I can see it, Elf could transform into one of Jak's bugs and eat her way through the Blacklands . No, no, I mean it would be good if you could transform into a wolf or something like that.

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  I've toyed with that idea a lot in the past, but I've come to the conclusion that IC wouldn't create a transformation/teleportation power. They're just not as feasible as the other powers in the book. They're also too physical.
  All of the Misfit powers (correct me if I'm wrong) are all mentally based, with the exception of the Coecer/Teknoguild ability to move things very slightly with their minds. The Dreamtrails kind of make physical transformations/teleportations possible though, so it's not really needed as a power.
  
  I'm thinking the new power will be related to either Rushton, Matthew, Ariel, Dameon or Gavyn. I'm leaning towards Rushton, it's definitely his time to shine :P Maybe instead of Elspeth channeling his mental energy to save the day, he discoveres his true Talent and shocks the hell out of us.
  I'm just imagining him all-powerful, like Phoenix from X-Men...
  
  Matthew...if we stick to the Matthew-as-Destroyer theory (I still think there's a chance it's Dameon though!) a new Talent could be the key to Destroying. What marks him as the Destroyer may be his life in general and the events that make him the person he is, or a unique power that reacts with the weaponmachines.
  
  Ariel...well, we've been there. Inside-out-Empath, which really, probably isn't true Empathy at all. More like a defective off-shoot from it.
  That could be classed as a new Talent, right? Just like Freya's Beast-Empathy.
  
  Dameon...there isn't anything that points to him as being the new Talent...so he's the perfect suspect ;) Sweet Dameon, with such a strong single ability to Empathise. It would blow us all away if he suddenly added something new to the mix.
  
  And Gavyn....weeeeeeird. I really dislike him. What is his Talent? Beast-Coercing? Beast-Empathy? Enthralling?
  Although he seems to have an entirely new Talent, I get the feeling the new power isn't his :-/
  
  I would really like to say it's Rushton, Matthew or Dameon. Rushton because he's hiding something, and Matthew and Dameon because I think either of them could be the Destroyer and they need some jazzy new ability to keep the world in peril.
   
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  Rushton has the greatest mental capacity...
  
  what if the Talent is like Big-Brained People :P or something (that sounds really weird)
   
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  what about someone who is totally forgetten?
  
  maybe like a tecknoguilder, they need a jazzy new abiltiy as you put it, because it would stuff up the whole only one ability for the tecknoguilders. making it a bit interestng??
  or as it is happening maybe some weird mixed up talent like Beast-Coerce-Empath. The person makes the beast all warm and fuzzy while they talk and coerce it??
  
  I KNOW *sorry for shouting* a Beast-Empath!! they feel what the beast is feeling instead of people ;D
   
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  (Belated thanks for sharing the chatbox messages, Min - I was confused as well. :P)
  
  So, new talents, huh? [act]imagines Hannai balancing a pint of ale on his head while simultaneously juggling geese[/act] [act]coughs[/act] Sorry... overactive imagination + Firefly = wacky suggestions. :P
  
  

  ...there will be a new kind of Talent in the Sending...

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  Okay, so we're definitely looking at capital T Talent, so I guess that's something! And "new kind of Talent" suggests that Isobelle means new new, rather than a new combination of powers, but I could be wrong... Ooh, maybe we'll find out that Lidgebaby's Talent is different, now that he's older? (I'm sure he'll reappear one way or another...) And I'd like to think it's not Elf - she's got enough Talents already. :P I like the idea that it might be Rushton or Gavyn...
  
  Interesting idea that it's something to do with the Destroyer, HotD - I've suspected for some time that the Destroyer won't in fact need any Talent at all, but I may well be wrong...
  
  Oh, and in response to Cat's earlier comment, it's not just Dragon who can make people see things - some of the other stronger coercers can as well, but only by setting up "memories" - like when they set up the soldierguards in TKP, to make them "see" the prisoners escaping.
  
  

  Inivisibility, super speed, ability to steal someone's life force - wait, that's X-Men :P

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  Haha, well, actually we have got Analivia with invisibility of sorts, so I guess you never know... :P
   
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  hehe - I love that the slightest piece of info and we pounce ^_^ what an awesome chrissie present :D
  
  My first thought was it involved either Rushton or Gavyn (that kid disturbs me - the same way Renesmee does but we just won't go there >.<)
  I've always thought that Rushton's ability is always very vague and downplayed, it has to be in TS more prominently. Actually that could tie up the Elspeth - Rushton - Dameon love triangle nicely - Dameon as the destroyer, then Elsepth via Rushton fixing it? :-/ (oh damn i just broke my 'No theorising late at night' rule - i had the rule for a reason!! ~:| )
  
  *cough* so erm, yeh - I'm thinking its gonna be something to do with Rushton- his Talent will finally be defined. Since Gavyn's Talent has already been defined as enthraller - and most the others are combos of other Talents to some degree - where as this is a new Talent. And Rushton's has only ever been defined as latent.... (has it amused anyone else that they're anargrams of each other - latent talent? no justme then ~:| )
  
  
  (on a completely random & off topic side night - SQUEEEE @ IC thinking rob could be rushton ;D )
   
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  *imagines rob holding a pig.... definitely sees that working...* ok ok! I'm sorry, couldn't help myself!
  
  Hmm, a new talent... damn! Like we don't have enough questions/theories about the series! I agree that it will probably be more a mental thing than a physicality changing thing - as most misfits talents seemed aimed from/at the mind. Argh! So many questions....
   
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  maybe she's going to make Brydda's teleportation talent legitimate

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  I love it! ;D
  
  Hang on - just had a thought - they refer to Obernewtyn-ers as 'Talents'. Maybe IC means that they'll find a new person?
  
  Was thinking about the other new talents that have been introduced, since the beginning; we thought there were 7 or so, but then enhancing came along (Freya/possibly Rushton), and enthralling (Gavyn). These are combinations of existing talents, sort of - enhancing could be a bit like empathy - cross with...possibly healing? Not sure...and enthralling a cross between coercion and empathy? But the talents are so seemlessly combined that they form an entirely new talent?
  
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  SQUEEEE @ IC thinking rob could be rushton

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  Rushton: I like watching you sleep.
  
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  Woah completely missed this yesterday... though i wasn;t home most of the day... anywho, how exciting! Any visit where Isobelle gives us more info is always good!
  
  As for what this new talent is, i don't really have any idea... i'm not very good on the theorising... hence, why i don't really venture onto this board that often, though i do enjoy reading the theories when i do...
   
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  Hm - a lot of us believe Rushton is a likely candidate for the new Talent
  
  but What about Swallow? Or even Salamander? Swallow can "read" auras - is that a Talent in itself? or simply an out-of-body/Dreamtrail/futuretelling linked Talent?? What if it was a separate Talent: the ability to tell when someone is lying?
  
  Salamander: Is a likely candidate for invisibility. Maybe he and Analivia have something in common :P Mind invisibility. Like Gavyn - Elspeth didn't detect him at all. Elspeth didn't detect Analivia's mind either. Actually maybe Salamander doesn't have mind invisibility because he wore the demon bands..
  
  Oooh! What if it's "invisibility" like Bella's invisibility/protection power. It's not a mindblock like some mind sensitive people have; but a complete cloaking of the brain as if it doesn't exist.
   
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  Oh, this is exciting! :D
  
  I'm leaning towards the possibility that Rushton's real Talent is going to be revealed.
  IC did say that it was going to be a new Talent, so it probably won't be something like a combination of Talents. Gavyn's Talent has already been introduced/explained (enthralling), as well as Lidgebaby's (coercing), and Ariel's (twisted empathy), and Swallow's/the Gypsies (reading auras), etc.
  The only person whose Talent has not been explored is Rushton, and I think it's about time he did somethig impressive other than brooding by the fire-place. :P
  I doubt that any of the other main characters will suddenly develope a completely new Talent without any warning. It's possible, but I don't really think it's likely.
  
  I think we'll either discover Rushton's Talent (I mean, it has to happen some time. And since this is the last book... ), or we'll be introduced to a new character who has a different ability.
  
  

  
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  What if it's "invisibility" like Bella's invisibility/protection power. It's not a mindblock like some mind sensitive people have; but a complete cloaking of the brain as if it doesn't exist.

  I'm pretty sure some powerful coercers already have that ability. Isn't that how Gavyn avoided being noticed when he travelled to Obernewtyn? And can't Elspeth do something like that? I'm pretty sure some misfits can completely cloak their brain so that others can't see/sense them... On the other hand, I might have completely misunderstood what you were trying to say. :P
  
  What do people think Rushton's Talent is? I'm not really sure... Maybe it has something to do with his ability to lead and bring people/minds together?
   
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  maybe she's going to make Brydda's teleportation talent legitimate

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  YES! That's fantastic!!
  
  

  
  Hang on - just had a thought - they refer to Obernewtyn-ers as 'Talents'. Maybe IC means that they'll find a new person?

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  She does say "kind of Talent" though, so unless we're finding a new brand of humans I'm not sure that'd work. Besides, most of the characters in TSK seemed to be new people anyway :P
  
  Poor Isobelle, I wonder if she rereads her posts 20 times to see if she's accdentally used the wrong words, because we read into them so much :P
  
  I think it'd have to be something a bit subtle though, because otherwise how come no one's noticed it yet? Unfortunately I think Brydda might be the only teleporting person, because surely someone (aside from all the readers) would have noticed that in the bad old days and one of them would've been sent to Obernewtyn (like Elf was). Same thing with invisibility, unless the person decided to be invisible all the time. I'd think that when people were all paranoid about misfits and sending them to Obernewtyn at the drop of a hat, unexplained absences for long periods of time would've warranted someone a trip there.
  
  Unless it's 'new' in the sense of the first person to have it, rather than the first person Elf and the readers have seen. I think it'd need to be subtle if it was just 'new' in the sense that we'd never met someone with it before, but it could be something way out there if it was 'new' as in 'BRAND NEW, NEVER BEFORE SEEN' :P
  
  And I don't know, turning into animals would seem like a bit of a rip-off of Animorphs to me...
   
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  Time Travel! Surely that can be a Talent?
  
  Or bringing back people from the dead? (Travelling to the Underworld?) - Yay then Domick can live and Kella won't know he even died :D
  
  How about "mind reading" Computers like Ines? (that would be a really Teknoguildy/Farseeking kind of ability) We know that Elspeth can "read" memories of the past written on a page; but what about being able to read technology ? I can just imagine INES's thoughts while Elspeth tried to put on jeans "Haha! What kind of person doesn't know how to wear jeans?" Or Entina's "Oooh yummy. Another Human to gobble up"
  
  |:| Just remember, there's a new sparkly theory challenge going on --it's really easy! so ink down your thoughts in the sparkly theory challenge thread :D
   
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  Time Travel's kinda covered with the Dreamtrails, though...
  
  New Talent: Dell discovers that she's a tekno-healer (meaning, that not only can she communicate with technology, but she can fix/heal/repair it).
  The Hidden Library outside of Aborium is going to be the Land's first Help Desk.
  
  I wonder if it'll be relevant to the quest, or an aside? Hey - it could be an ability that ties other abilities together? So, if a healer and a farseeker walk into a bar with this newbie - BAM - you have someone who can heal from great distances? OR - a talent that absorbs other talents?
  Wait, now we're back to Xmen :P ...oh well, it's a talent that doesn't exist in the OC world yet :P
  
  Maybe that's what Ariel does...hmm...he could absorb talent around him and use them however he wants? That's why his talent's so hard to define, because it changes?
   
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  Ooh yay, this is brilliant!!
  
  Haha Cat, I was just thinking that. One wrong word in IC's post and a whole five pages of theorising might get thrown off :D
  
  I do like your idea about it being connected with computers, Mono. I know that might already be similar to the Technoguilders' Talent, but theirs isnt a very specific ability. It could be something like Micah's ability from Heroes, where he can manipulate technology - something like that could come in handy when you're trying to figure out the Beforetimers and their Weaponmachines ...
  
  I had a bit of a wacky theory that maybe a bit of Talent-transferral is possible? If Ariel somehow accidentally transferred an ability to Rushton while he was torturing him, maybe that could be the new Talent, and then also allow Rushton to do a bit day-saving :P (Although I'm not a fan of Rushton having more than a latent talent - his insecurity about Elf not loving him because of his lack of Talent would become a little redundant, and their relationship would become too 'perfect')
  
  Edit: Oops, I posted that a little too late. So my wacky theory is somewhat like your theory too Min :P
   
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  I think it's definitley possible that someone may be able to use other people's Talents. Like the Talent-transferral theory, except that instead of absorbing the other person's Talent, they simply are able to reach into the person's mind and manipulate their Talent without them noticing. Although that's pretty much the same thing. :P
  In fact, now that I think about it, I think that's a really good possibility.
  I like the idea of the technology healer, as well. :)