I think that it might be Kella. Think about it - she has the two powers that Elspeth doesn't have (healing and empathy), which makes her an opposite. If something happened to Domick, wouldn't she change? Elspeth WAS worried about her aura... And if she blamed Elspeth for something happening to Domick... Mightn't she try to get revenge by ruining whatever Elspeth's doing, especially if Elspeth didn't save Domick because of the quest.
If not Kella, I'm have to go for Elspeth. In the first book Elspeth had a dream where a voice in her head was hurting her... And she's refered to some of her thoughts as coming from her killing power. So that part of Elspeth could be responsible...
I still think it's Kella, though.
Greetings and meetings all,
For sure, Maryon will die. Her life has been nothing but tragedy and living in some fey world. She's like the Human equivelant of Maruman. And if she doesn't die, then she'll find some cottage with a roaring fire to stare into for the rest of her life.
But Miryum... I hope she doesn't die. She is strong, idealistic and caring. Hot-headed, yes... rash, definitely. But if the death of Straaka and her mysterious disappearance brings her temperence and wisdom as Gahltha's trek in the mountains did, then Miryum has the capability of becoming a true and great leader. In the aftermath of the rebellion, I think she had the potential to lead Obernewtyn as its Master. I don't see death for Miryum. I see greatness.
**puts the String orchestra away**
And if she dies, Roland is going to steal Garth's new reinvention of the chainsaw and behead those responsible. Good old Roland. Nothing better than a grouch.
And that's all I have to say about that.
As for the Destroyer, I'm with Min and the Golden Trio. Three is an important number. Matthew, Dameon and Elspeth. Selmar and Cameo were merely the forerunners of Elspeth. Matthew is quick to anger, curious to a fault and nobody knowns whether the serious accidents surround the young boys who taunted Matthew were merely coincidence or something more sinister. Not to mention, Dameon had a very seerish moment in chapter 13 of Obernewtyn, which focuses very much on Elspeth and Matthew's inability to let sleeping dogs lie.
Ariel, I think, is not so much a Hyraka or Destroyer so much as a Provoker and Puppetmaster. Wherever there is decay, rot and old blood, he shall be there. I suspect he shall provoke Matthew into doing something very stupid. Dameon doesn't make mistakes nor does he have accidents. But Matthew is just that little bit more clumsy, even if his shoulders have filled out from all the slave work.
The only weakness in the Matthew hypothesis is of couse the issue of equality with Elspeth.
Wow. Well i wont try to match my tin can band with your string orchestra Clare, so i will just say my thing with the wonderful accompaniment of my tin cans.
i, like many other poor souls, was ignorant before i came to ober.net. i really did think ariel was hte destroyer. but now ive seen the light and i know matthew is the destroyer *sob*. its terrible, but it does make sense.
and i was also thinking, maybe the equal and opposite thing (does anyone know if it IS really a given?) but if it is, maybe its not equality of powers. maybe its equal strength of character or something, and opposite personalites?? in which case matthew could be the destroyer.
*shoves tin can band back in the shoebox*
ok, im done now!
[img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/wink.gif" alt=";)" border="0"/> luv bobbi
i know this is crazy and far fetched but what if jes wasnt killed, maybe stunned or something with a coercive bolt from somewhere, (rosamunde was a little vauge on the particulars of his death in terms of how it was done if i remember correctly) and taken to herder isle somehow to be later corrupted by ariel and is the destroyer.
he is elspeths equal, if that is to be a rule, where did that come from again i seem to remember something about ic saying it, as he is the only other character known to have the killing power and it could be safe to assume he has the rest of elspeths talents.
otherwise sadly i have to say matthew, with the whole accident thing or elf herself. in which case she actually sets them off while trying to destroy them. if it has to be devestating whats more devestating than that.
IC has said that jes is definitly dead. otherwise that would be a great theory
well, maybe she was lying..?
Ok. I've worked out that nobody thinks Ariel is the Destroyer. Why not? Isn't it obvious when he's stalking Elspeth on the Dreamtrails, and also doesn't Gahltha say that he is? So why isn't he?
Analivia, IC has said that ariel isnt the destroyer, (i think !!) when i was new to ober.net, i thought he was too, but it makes it alot more interesting if he isnt! coz then u can guess who it really is!
i just had a thought. what if that head herder guy (The One??) is the destroyer? yes its a bit far fetched and hes not really in the books, but im tired and my brain is doing strange things!
I think ariel has a part to play in hte destroyer part like getting the info. then tranfering it on to the destroyer. [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/tongue.gif" alt=":P" border="0"/>
IC said that destroyer isn't NECCESARILLY Ariel...
Take that how you will!
Even though she still left room for Ariel to be the Destroyer, she obviously wanted us to look beyond the obvious.
Ariel seems much more like to the Destroyer what Atthis is to the Seeker. A guide. This fits in with his beast-name, H'rayka - bringer of Destruction (which some of us have interpreted as the one who will lead the Destroyer).
And also - quoting the slaver-stolen PGB: Everything Elspeth Says Is WRONG.
KSl everything Elspeth says is wrong i am only saying this here once he love for rushton must be wrong too!* moves it to the debate thread.
Quote:The only weakness in the Matthew hypothesis is of couse the issue of equality with Elspeth. [/quote]
Who is more equal to Elspeth than Elspeth herself????
If you read Farseekers closely it doesn't actually say that the Destroyer has to be Elspeth's equal...
I think we all misinterpreted that too.
Surely just to throw a spanner in the works... the major sacrifice that Elf is going to have to make is Rushton, cause wouldn't that just tear everybodies hearts out... I don't think Matthew is a big enough sacrifice because we haven't seen him for an entire book., their realtionship seems a little weaker
Now that all these theories have come out Matthew dosen't him being the Destroyer seem just a little too obvious???? Though to somebody who has read the books and takes them at face value I suppose Matthew would be a shock [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif" alt=":o" border="0"/>
Matthew isn't her equal... Being able to see though his eyes and being passive to her shows that she has power over him (That's how I see it anyway! [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/wink.gif" alt=";)" border="0"/> )
An interesting point. But I really don't think Matty and Elf's relationship is weakened. Although what you say about his passivity is worth noting.
Still think it's Matty
THe problem is that there are SOOOOO many clues and hints and everything it's too hard to work out somebody that exactly fits... but i suppose that's what keeps this website going! I hope that the answers end up coming as a complete shock to everybody [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/wink.gif" alt=";)" border="0"/>
I think if the Destroyer ends up being Matthew, it will still be a shock, if you know what I mean. It certainly wasn't something that entered my head when I read the books, only something that seems to fit after talking with all you guys. I can't wait to find out how it happens (if it IS Matthew... I'm only 90 per cent convinced)!
I think that Matthew actually could be Elspeth's equal - even though the destroyer doesn't necessarily have to be equal.
I've mentioned heaps of times before, but I'll say it again: I reckon Matthew has the same killing power that Elf has.
Don't forget that part of the reason we know Elf is so strong is coz we see the story from her point of view. She doesn't actually go around TELLING other people what she can do. Has Elf ever told anyone about her killing ability?
Presumably Matthew wouldn't go around bragging about his powers either - especially if he's grown particularly strong - strong enough even to rival Elspeth.
yes thats a thought. maybe TLOTRQ has made him stronger somehow. but he wouldnt actually try to do anything to elf, he'd just be her equal.
oo! im sure someone has said this before, but maybe its dragon! she'll be going to TLORQ and she definitly elspeth's equal!!! and opposite too coz shes an empath.
or its gavyn coz he is also her equal opposite.
(btw, i think we have misinterpreted that. or completly made it up [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/wink.gif" alt=";)" border="0"/> coz ive never seen it anywhere. the onyl thing i found was the the destroyer would be her opposite coz hes evil and shes good etc etc. but then ic has said the destroyer isnt necessarily evil. ah so many clues!)
but does anyone wonder about IC introducing these 2 extremely powerful and also unknown Talents much later on?. esp gavyn, his talent is undefined, they have never seen in before. and dragon too, nobody else is like her. hey maybe rushton has gavyns talent but to a lesser extent. coz there was some talk a while back that was saying he has a new and unknown talent, as well as having a huge storage capacity in his mind. mmm rushton is so mysterious!
ok ill go now. bye!
I think maybe the relevance of introducing these stronger talented Misfits later on in the game is just to show the world that the Talented will keep on being born no matter what they do, and being that they are the newest step in the evolutionary chain, will keep getting stronger.
A number of times in the Chron, Elf does mention Matthew getting stronger - and they're always working together. Elf and Matty perfected the useage of one another's eyes for instance. Elf taught Matty to shield as strongly as her. So in that way, it may be in the end that Elf and Matty as Seeker and Destroyer have to work together?
Don't know...it's so exciting!!
ARIEL!!!! IT IS ARIEL *folds arms*
I know because I red The Keeping Place in a week and a half
It's NOT ARIEL [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif" alt=";D" border="0"/>
IC said so. Even though you could take her "Ariel is not necessarily the Destroyer" as that he still could be, what about all else she's told us?
When I asked her if it was Swallow: "No, but he's the type of person I'd be thinking about"
And about the Destroyer: "He has no idea what he's going to do" and "What happens in the end is an accident" - both of those make the Destroyer sound like an ally to Elspeth. Ariel certainly seems to know what he's doing. I could validate it further but my stove is boiling over...
I knew that somebody saying ARIEL is the destroyer was going to bug you Min!
Your ever the campaigner! [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif" alt=";D" border="0"/>
haha! yes i agree though, its just not ariel! [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/rolleyes.gif" alt="::)" border="0"/> [img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/tongue.gif" alt=":P" border="0"/>
hehe...I can't help myself...!
[img]http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif" alt=";D" border="0"/>
I'll validate my Matthew theory til the cows come home!
*watches as Miska's piggies squeal about the cows*
I WILL PROVE ARIEL IS THE DESTORYER!!!!!!
page753, The keeping place Epilogue: 'I had learned so much since the beginning of the rebellion, yet still I had not managed to find a single sign left by Kasanda. In fact, I was still trying to come to terms with the fact that the Cassy of my dreams was the Sadorians' revered Kasanda, and the Gypsy D'rekta.
And that Ariel was the dreaded Destroyer' put that in your pipe and smoke it!