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  I have just come home from seeing the film and as it was my favourite book in the series I thought I'd post up a thread for discussion. I really hope there isn't already one. So;
  
  Although it was a fantastic film; I was very annoyed by the storyline. The new plot that was written for the film, although interesting, annoyed me because it overshadowed C.S Lewis's original story. It would have been an excellent film in it's own right, but was too different to the book to please me.
   
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  I liked it. That guy was attractive :D
  
  And the last part with that huge ocean wave in 3D was like O.o
  I havn' read the books so i can't really compare. But i liked it :3
   
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  I've not yet seen it, but I do intend to eventually.
  
  Unfortunately, my hesitance comes from the fact that The Voyage of the Dawn Treader was one of my least favourite of all the Narnia stories... :-/
   
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  [act] (L)'s Ben Barnes[/act]
  
  Which is one of the main reasons why I watch the Narnia movies :P
  
  This one was alright, I would have preferred to see more of the older children, and the cousin is really annoying, though the dragon thing served him right.
  
  To be honest, I have the books I've just never read them. I often find that when the books I read become movies I hate the movie because it doesn't live up to the books (which is why I hate the movie Vampires Assistant so much - based on the Darren Shan novels). So I thought it would be easier to see the movies and then read the books (which is what I did with the Percy Jackson series and why I still like that movie). Is there going to be another movie? Because just ending this one with Edmund and Lucy not being able to return and the cousin a questionmark doesn't really make much sense as an ending.
  
  And they could have spent more time on the sub-plot of Lucy being jealous of her sister. It just felt like that wasn't complete, that they wanted to portray something and it didn't quite work. [end ranting :P]
  
  Other than that, I quite liked it.
   
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  I think they did a pretty good job of keeping the spirit of the book. I've only tried a couple of C.S. Lewis's non-Narnia books and didn't like them, but I like all seven of the Narnia stories. I like his conversational writing style, with little parenthetical asides directly to the reader - quite different to most writing today.
  
  Regarding some of ElspethInnle's spoiler comments:
  Is there going to be another movie? I'm sure there will be. Lucy and Edmund can't return to Narnia (or can they?), but right at the end of the Dawntreader movie where their aunt calls out that Jill Pole has come to visit even though we don't see her they are essentially introducing the new protagonist for the next story - I don't think they would've put that in the movie if they didn't intend to make another movie. The next book, the Silver Chair should work well enough as a movie (actually there is already a BBC TV production of it with Tom Baker as Puddleglum).
  
  As far as seeing more of the older children, well, they're just not in the book and that's the way it is. Yes, cousin Eustace is annoying, but he is supposed to be a pain for Lucy and Edmund and the point is that he matures over the course of the story such that he's not annoying (or not supposed to be) in the next story. The dragon thing was pretty much supposed to serve him right - it is part of the maturing process, and in the book that sequence is spelled out in more detail, particularly the part about how he turned back into a boy.
  
  (Actually the real reason I found the cousin in the movie annoying is because the actor looks a lot like somebody I used to know who (at that age) actually did behave in a similar way, even down to some of the mannerisms.)
  
  It's been a while since I read the book, but I don't remember the part about Lucy being jealous of her sister as particularly important so perhaps that's why they didn't make more of it in the movie.
   
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  Just reading your comments I think that some of you will have to go and read the book; Eustace is supposed to be annoying, HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE FLIPPIN' ANNOYING THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! And I thought that he was portrayed very well.
  
  I'm assuming that there is going to be another movie (the Silver Chair) although I was annoyed at the Jill Pole reference because I don't think that Eustace meets her until several months after his Narnian adventure. There are BBC versions of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, Prince Caspian, Dawn Treader and the Silver Chair, and I am interested to see who takes the Puddleglum role for the next one.
  
  Ben Barnes as Caspian is as sexy as ever.
  
  Keep in mind that this is the third film so far; I am really hoping that they go through to the end and then go back and do the two that they skipped (the Magician's Nephew and a Horse and His Boy).
   
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  Did anyone else notice that Ben Barnes dropped his Spanish accent and just talked in an English accent? That's kind of odd :P But his hotness otherwise made up for it.
  
  I liked this movie! I felt a bit sad that Aslan thinks since teh kids have grown up, that they can no longer access Narnia anymore. I LOVE NARNIA! *HUGS ASLAN* Since Eustace is supposed to be annoying, I think they cast him perfectly. He is a total twerp.
  
  Nooo! I don't want the series to end so soon! I have a feeling that the original kids will return at the end of the last movie though.
  
  PS: I think they squished in the other books they didn't cover into the movies that they made.
   
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  Mono, I noticed that, too. I was very sad about the lack of his sexy Spanish lisp, but like you said, his hotness carries over even without it.
  
  I've read the books (fairly recently, too), but I find I like the movies better. There aren't many instances where you can say the characters are more developed on screen than they are in the books, but Narnia is (in my oppinion) one of them.. with the exception of Eustace, though he's really only a periferal in this instalment and I expect to see a lot more development of him later on.
  
  I did miss Edmund's line from the book, though, where he tells Eustace 'at least you were only a prat; I was a traitor.'
  
  I do however like the way they pulled the white witch into it again, building on Edmund's self doubt by using her to voice his fears. It really plays well with his character. And the way they developed Lucy's jealousy, mentioned only in passing in the book, of Susan only added to the plot as far as I was concerned. It would have been really annoying if, yet again, everyone else was trying to prove themselves brave or heroic or whatever while she doesn't even flinch. I think by touching on that one flaw, no matter how briefly, they gave her a bit of depth that she never really achieves in the books.
  
  I've only seen it twice so far, but I hope to go again soon.
   
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  The kid playing Eustace was Awesome! Totally worth seeing him - he played it quite cleverly.
  
  I wasn't too keen on the way they changed the story, but I can see why they did - they had enough trouble getting the production off the ground (it was dropped by one company and picked up by another) so it had to have some sort of conventional story arc - quest, goodie/baddie blah blah blah.
  
  As for the silver chair, don't hold your breath. They may want to do it, but it hasn't been mooted about yet. There was so much trouble with this movie getting up that the next one might not happen - they're just not making enough money.
  
  i just get annoyed that no one ever makes "the horse and his boy". That is my favourite of the Narnia series. sigh.
   
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  The three movies so far have not really included material from the other books. At least, not so that I noticed.
  
  But I would argue that (so far, anyway) they're actually bringing the movies out in the right order, because - whether on purpose or not - so far they've followed the order in which the books were originally written and published. It is only more recent re-prints (80s? 90s?) that have renumbered the books to match the chronological order of the actual story, but in my opinion that is not the best order to read them in. I think The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe should definitely be read first. The reprinted Magician's Nephew was renumbered to be the first book, but it was completed last and originally published second-last, and to me it works much better if read second-last.
  
  The movie-makers might come back to The Horse and His Boy after the others, but I assume they didn't do it yet because (aside from the order of publication I mentioned above) in Narnian time the book is set when the four children have grown up into their roles as king and queen (as they were just before the end of the first movie), so it wouldn't have made sense to use the original four actors and in any case those four are not the focus of the story.
  
  An unrelated minor point: I also noticed and thought it strange that Prince Caspian's accent had completely changed between the movies.
   
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  I have not read this book - only the first of this series. But I really enjoyed the movie - it was funny and action packed.
   
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  N, you're right, and they are doing that deliberately. At least, that was the filming schedual plan when they first decided to do the movies at all. Then again, like Aoife pointed out, they were dropped by the company (Disney) that had come up with that idea, so who knows what they're doing now :-/
  
  On the whole though, I've very much liked the delivery, the plot additions, and the changes they've made to the movies from the books. To each his own, though, eh Wanderer?
   
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  I really liked this movie, and as people have mentioned, I missed Caspian's accent change too!
  I was a bit annoyed at how they elaborated more on Lucy's jealousy of Susan, than it is in the book, but as Amashelle pointed out and as I realise now, it is good that she has a flaw, like all the others, and she is not so perfect...
  Lately I have been thinking about books turned into movies, as I have seen a lot of them recently, and I've come to a realisation that all of the movies must have some change from the original books, they just can't be exactly the same. Even though I always complain about things that they do differently from the books, it shouldn't really matter, if, as a movie, the changes suit it. I find that in a lot of movies, some characters aren't like the book characters at all, but in the movie, they are fine, it's just our pre-conceived ideas from reading the book that make us annoyed and so dislike them. Also, these movies are meant to be based on books, I don't think that they mean to do every little thing exactly the same. Does that all make sense to anyone?
   
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  Well... I went to see the movie in th cinemas a couple of days after it came out and watched it in 3D. To enjoy it you really had to watch it in 3D to capture all of the special effects they used (there was a lot of them!). I really liked it. Although, unlike the majority of you I haven't read any of the novels and have only watched a little pit of the first movie. Which says I probably should read the novels and watch the movies in order like normal human beings do.
  
  Gee... Ben Barnes was attractive. DId he really need the accent to make him sexy? I don't think so. He was sexy enough without the accent.
  
  I notice a lot of you didn't like the lack of character development but the main plot of the movie was the quest to find the seven lost lords of Narnia. They did develop the cousin Eustace and be turning him into a dragon made him mature and had its purose. I truly don't believe they did that just to add some special features. And... along the quest the characters did develop a little bit but there was a bit of emphasis placed on special effects I have to admit. But then again the special effects weren't overdone. Anyway I think that's all I can add to this discussion, To probably contribute to this discussion I'd have to watch all of the movies available and read the books.
  
  
   
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  I thought The Princess Bride was better as a movie than a book even though a number of things were changed. For example, the concept in the book that it was really an abridged version of a much longer book by Morgenstern(?) would, in my opinion, have been a bit clunky in movie form but the workaround of having one character reading it to another at least kept some of that vibe. But then the screenplay was written by the author of the book so it would be harder to argue that it was "wrong" in any case. (By the way, I liked the book a lot too, just not as much as the movie.)
  
  

  there are many films which are extremely unfaithful to their source material, and yet, they are amongst my all time favourite movies... "Blade Runner"

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  I liked Blade Runner the movie a lot more than the book it was based on; I agree they were very different. Have you read the sequel by K. W. Jeter? (Blade Runner 2) It seemed to me much more a continuation of the movie than the original book, but I didn't really like it and didn't bother reading Blade Runner 3 when it came out though I may get around to it one day.
  
  

  Certainly, I would've still been irritated by some of the acting, especially the laziness of Ben Barnes' performance, I did notice that the man couldn't be bothered with doing an accent this time round for some reason...

  Surely the director would've had the last say (if not the first say) on that decision? Whatever the background it was just weird.
  
  

  They did develop the cousin Eustace and be turning him into a dragon made him mature and had its purose. I truly don't believe they did that just to add some special features

  Eustace as dragon was in the book; if anything I thought the movie didn't explain how it happened and how Aslan fixed it anywhere near as well as in the book.
   
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  got totally freaked out by the dragon showing the message "I am Eustace" written into the volcano. That was a total horror movie moment. Actually it was more scary because of the firey writing, and at first I thought the message said "I ATE EUSTACE" :P *facepalms*
  
  I agree Wanderer, it's not so much that the lack of Spanish accent on Ben Barnes takes away from his sexiness, it's more that it lacks consistency. And plus since it's only meant to be 3 years since the kids previous visit, how is Caspian (as a character) meant to lose his accent in such a short time? I thought it was either laziness on his part or maybe he just found it difficult to keep a Spanish accent whille shouting.
   
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  [act]falls of her chair in hysterical giggles[/act]
  

  Actually it was more scary because of the firey writing, and at first I thought the message said "I ATE EUSTACE" :P *facepalms*

  
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