On Ep5&6 and the Flesh:
I really didn't see half of it coming! When the Flesh became a really big theme in Eps 5 and 6 I started to think maybe that the Doctor who died on the beach in 1969 was a Flesh Doctor, and the Real Doctor was in the spacesuit. I think there was a line in Ep6 when Real Doctor said to Flesh Doctor 'I had to see if we were absolutely the same' (possibly referring to Amy and her being Flesh the whole time). Because it was Canton that told River/Amy/Rory that the Doctor who died was 'absolutely the real doctor', he might not have known the difference. (Or maybe I just don't want the doctor to die :P)
But as soon as we started to see the Eye Patch Lady, I thought that Amy was dreaming. Her stomach cramps definitely made it seem that she really was pregnant. However I don't know how the Doctor knew to disintegrate her. I'm still a bit fuzzy on how Flesh Amy could see the Eye Patch Lady, but the Doctor still spoke to her ('we'll find you') as though her mind was the Real Amy's? :-/
In conclusion Doctor Who is mind-scramblingly brilliant. :D
Fate, they explain in the next episode how Amy was seeing the eye patch lady
on 'a good man goes to war' episode 7 I think
I loved it! though how the doctor managed to convinve everyone after they tried to lock him away, I don't know.
12 years ago
Sun Jun 05 2011, 03:26pm
A Good Man Goes To War ep 7
OH MY GOD! :O :D ;D I loved it!
I think that about sums it up :P
12 years ago
Mon Jun 06 2011, 05:33pm
Hahaha! It's funny because it's true
Episode 7
I misssed a few bit, did the doctor say how Amy and Rory had a half timelord baby?
Edited by Cat to include what episode it's a spoiler for
12 years ago
Sun Jun 05 2011, 05:04pm
I know right?
@ Nightwatcher Ep 7
Yeah the lizard thing (sorry bad at remembering names) told him that he told her that the Time Lords became what they were by hanging out around the time vortex too much, and Melody/River was conceived in the Tardis. Plus from what I can gather the Eye-patch lady worked on the kid so she became half-time lord.
Having watched it the second time I really think that this episode did what the others didn't. It was just beautifully written and clever but not confusing which I think is what made the rest of the season only ok and not brilliant.
Still Ep 7
I love how they kept putting tiny clues we've received from/about River in the past into context. Pretty much every two lines I was going OMG yeah they told us that. And there was even a refrence all the way back to the Silence in the Library with the whole 'you can make whole armies run by just showing up'.
I loved the last scene with River an the Doctor and of him realising who she was, I really like Matt Smith's little quirky Doctor moments. And the baby turning to flesh literally took my breath away, from the moment she saw the hatch opened to when she turned back to flesh and Doctor came running down.
So I'm guessing River really does kill the Doctor then? I have a growing feeling that we'll go back and see what happened in the six months between ep 1 and ep 2. There's just too many mysteries about that time, we have to get some kind of an explanation.
The only thing I didn't like was the name Melody ... I mean really, it's a bogan name let's face it (unless you have a kid/sister/mother/friend named Melody in which case awww what a cute name). But I'll forgive whoever named her because I imagine there can't be many names which translate to Song in Gamma Forestian.
12 years ago
Sun Jun 05 2011, 05:10pm
Hehehe, was awesome! (Ep 7 spoilers)
@Nightwatcher - there's an awkward bit there where it's explained...the fact that the child was conceived while they were in the vortex...
Edit: Ah, Tonks beat me to it, we were posting at the same time..
Great semi-finale... *dances* as soon as they said her daughter's name was Melody I started celebrating that the theory from way back in episode 2 was right! I felt like a lot of it was rushed, though - as though the episode could have gone on for twice as long.
It's taken me the better part of two seasons but I finally see Matt Smith as the Doctor now, too :P
Just watched episodes 5 & 6 - WHOA!! Loved them!!
So, first of all, the instant the Doctor touched the Flesh I was like "It's going to copy him! My theory about the Doctor that dies in the first episode being a doppelganger could come true!" and then even Amy agreed with my theory! Which means it probably isn't true...
Love that Amy really was pregnant the whole series and we've been seeing a ganger. Although sad that the Doctor killed the ganger - what happened to them being real people and all that moral stuff? Although in the Confidential bit afterwards they were saying that he hadn't really killed her because she was a ganger connected to Amy (like in the beginning of the episode) and so they'd just cut the feed between the two. As the flesh-that-was-Amy's-ganger hadn't been electrocuted or grown to become its own person I guess it couldn't handle it...?
Min - in Confidential they said she'd definitely been the ganger for the entirety the season. I guess she was swapped in the two months when she didn't see the Doctor, which I remember her complaining about in the first episode. Interesting about the doubling over before she's used to the body theory... Or maybe that was morning sickness? The doctor said she could see the hatch because that world was worming its way in to the ganger, maybe that was another symptom of that.
Min mentioned the Silent telling Amy that she has to tell the Doctor what he must know - I thought that was about the fact he was going to die, which she just did. She thought she was telling the ganger (when they went outside the evac tower and then he started going on about "Why?!") but the Doctor had swapped, and at the end the Doctor mentioned about how he knew. Can't remember exactly what he said (which is sad, I finished watching it like 20 minutes ago!)
Loving MK and Min's thoughts on Pond being involved with the prophecy thing too...
DO - Oooh, good point about why is the Doctor talking about the Cybermen... At the time I just wrote it off as proving they were both the Doctor, but could definitely be foreshaddowing.
Fate - I think the ganger Amy was like how the workers were originally using gangers at the start of the episode, so they were strapped in and using other bodies like they're own. Don't know how the lady was coming in, but the mind in ganger Amy was definitely real Amy's.
Also, on the water thing (not really a spoiler for anything, it's just a phrase that's mentioned in ep 4 but this doesn't contain any spoilers for that or anything else)
I just reread DO's saying Christopher Eccleston wouldn't be involved, he mentioned rivers!! "No. Never bathe in the same river twice" So... he could be misleading us! Maybe?
Interesting thought on Ecclestone Cat-Eyes. I hadn't thought of that one!
Just watched ep 7
AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could they leave us there for months? My flatmate and I were watching it almost throwing things at her computer!
I really want to know how long they have been planning the whole River/Amy thing? That was the one thought that has been bugging me since they revealed the connection. There must have been the idea floating around when they named Amy - 'Pond' and 'river' having the obvious connection. I'm going back now to look at River's interaction with Amy and Rory in the past episodes ...
OML what an AMAZING episode 7 was
Is anyone else very scared that the doctor will save river/melody at an early age to save himself or for some other reason and then their history will change? Or is that just me being paranoid?
Can anyone relate the background to the Sontaran and the Slyvien (ignore spelling) because I havn't watched pre-David Tennant and am not certain if they are previous characters or just randoms
The Eye-patch Lady has to be very annoyed at the doctor so we are probably going to meet her later on when the doctor thwarts her. And we will hopefully meet Lorna later on aswell XD
SOOOOO much to look forward to
Dreamweavers' Guildmistress
12 years ago
Sat Jun 11 2011, 08:58pm
Dreamweavers' Guildmistress
Dreamscape Artist
On Episode 7
I'm not sure I liked it very much :-/ I mean, I loved the writing, the acting, everything but the end of it. It was almost too neat, River being Melody. I'd seen it coming this season, but I didn't like it. Then again that could just be because I'm really not the biggest fan of River Song. She's great, she's a mystery... but not my sort of character. (I'm a Rose girl through and through :P).
Also, when Rory went to fetch River- did anyone else think she acted a little weird around him? I'm of half a mind to think that might actually have been her first real meeting with him. But then you've got her whole confusing timeline... so probably not :P
I was just waiting for the moment baby Melody would turn out to be Flesh. That, to me, was predictable.
Nef - I have a quote from an interview with Alex Kingston in DWM 435: "I had a long conversation with Steven, and he said that he'd always, from when he first created River, intended her to come back. He knew her trajectory from the outset, but he kept it all very close to his chest.
Spacesuit/Episode 1 and referencing 7:
Having watched A Good Man Goes to War, I've come up with an alternate option. I'd have to go back and watch Episode 1 again (which I can't, so bare with me). We know that River Song was locked up for killing "A very good man. Best man I've ever known." We don't know who it is for certain, but I've always thought that she killed the Doctor. Which does fit now. After all, Madame Kovarian took Melody/River to raise her as a weapon against the Doctor. Why shouldn't she have succeeded? Don't ask me to try and fill out any more details on that theory yet, my fingers are freezing :P
@Arwen on theory:
lol the first time i heard the ep was going to be called a good man goes to war, i though straight away on the 'i killed a good man' thingy. Any since the Demon's Run poem <or old story.. whichever seems to be exactly about the Doctor, I'm wondering if he went back in time and tells people about it? Or could it be history repeating lol <crazy crack theory.
Another theory about River/Doctor:
When I was watching the bit where the Doctor goes "Oh ill make sure she's safe etc." <after he realises about River, i was wondering if he could have brought her up (it seems possible with the spacesuit and that... :) or Madame Kovarian? An escape lol. If that turned out to be true.... <very awkward moment there :P With the kissing XD <and Amy/Rory parenting instincts... ;) Actually now i wonder how they will react to River calling the Doctor 'my love' and 'sweetie' since they're the parents.. lmao even awkwarder silent moment :))
Now just a three month wait :(
OMG just watched ep 7 good man goes to war
I found it absolutely amazing!! It was slightly confusing at the beginning trying to sort out what was going on (all the different characters coming back), but I'm just so happy we know about River now!! (although my theories about her being the next doctor were wrong :p). I hadn't picked her as being the time-baby- so that was a big surprise for me towards the end of the episode!
In regards to killing a good man, the only other thing I can think of, in light of everything, is if perhaps instead of her killing the doctor she actually ends up killing Rory? He's the only other 'good man' I can think of...that and she seemed pretty weirded out/slightly upset when she saw him at the beginning of the episode. Just a thought, that could be a bit of a twist in comparison to her killing the Doctor (since everyone thinks she will kill the doctor).
Agh though! I can't wait until September or whenever the next eps are showing!! :)
Just saw the latest episode earlier this afternoon (I was out when it screened on ABC last night - see: occasionally I do have a life outside of TV and the internet).
Well I think I posted previously that I thought maybe River was Amy's daughter - certainly it's the first thing I thought of when Amy said she was pregnant. But then I thought, no, they wouldn't make it that obvious would they? But then I thought, maybe that's what they want me to think? So between second guessing myself and them in the end I'm a little disappointed that that is how it turned out though on the other hand at least it all makes sense and fits together. At least the Doctor can use the "spoilers" excuse in not having to tell Amy and Rory that he already knows how River dies.
As for the Doctor having his own crib in the TARDIS - what? Why on earth (so to speak) would he have that? At some point after "borrowing" the TARDIS and deliberately living on the run away from the other Time Lords he nipped back to Gallifrey and picked up the crib? I don't think so.
One thing that I always thought was too neat about River's introduction in the library story was that the first time the Doctor ever meets River is also the time that she dies. Really? The whole "our timelines are backwards" thing worked out down to a perfect intitial/final meeting intersection? "Saving" River into the computer was kind of nice as far as the context of that episode went, but still I think it was sort of lame because it is just a copy and the real River is still dead.
12 years ago
Sun Jun 12 2011, 07:23pm
Phwoar!! Episode 7 was amazing!!
So, before I read anything you guys wrote, here are some thoughts:
SQUEEEEE!!! River's Amy's daughter!! So she's going to turn out ok! But makes the whole episode where they're looking for the girl in the spacesuit a bit weird... And we know the Doctor at least thinks it's her because when he was talking about her being a Time Lord (love that discussion, "When did the baby... begin?") he was thinking of her. And it makes sense. So River looking at the suit and saying she broke out and all that stuff is in a totally different light now...
I was a bit confused about why it was called Demon's Run at the start of the episode but you guys had all called it A Good Man Goes To War, but then they said the phrase so that cleared up.
Interesting that the forest thing was about Pond and River :P Can't remember who said that though, it's been bugging me all day (watched the episode last night) so need to go look at the previous pages... Oh! Of course, it was the TARDIS! That's pretty cool.
Ok, reading what everyone else said now...
Oh yeah! I loved the bit about how we found out how the Time Lords became Time Lords (that they were exposed to the time vortex over generations... rather than being conceived in a TARDIS!). And the Doctor and River talking before they tell Amy and Rory who she is, and he's like "We mwah mwah mwahed!"
I didn't pick up on the Melody Pond / River Song thing, which was a bit dense, but anyway... Actually, I think I forgot the baby's name for half and was like "Wait, what did she call her again?"
I loved how Amy makes Rory out to be a hero in the beginning. Whenever she does that you always think she's talking about the Doctor, and it's a bit awwwwkwwward but then it's Rory and it's adorable! And he is a hero!
DO - how do we know how Rory is no longer plastic? I'd forgotten he was meant to be and completely missed any reference to it in this episode (except for him dressing up like it!)
Arwen - Oooh, interesting thought that that was the first time River met Rory in her timeline (ie, he went to meet her there earlier in time than he had been before) but I think that would make it overly complicated and hard to understand. Maybe she was just a bit awkward because she hasn't seen him alone before (and then of course once she knew it was Demon's Run she'd be a bit awkward knowing she was going to tell him soon too). Also, whoever said it, we know River knew the Doctor as a kid, she said that in a previous episode didn't she?
Arwen again - Oooooooh!! Good thought about her going to jail for killing the Doctor. Maybe she really was in the spacesuit! That would be hard for grown up jail-break River to have been there again! Although
Izzy - another interesting theory! As I said before, Amy certainly paints Rory as a good man.
Also, had to remind myself to write "Spoiler" not "Spoilers" in the tag, River is rubbing off on me!
12 years ago
Mon Jun 13 2011, 10:00am
@ Cat-Eye's: The 11 of them thing from the Doctor Who Facebook page is about them dedicating a week to each Doctor for 11 weeks.
Looking at the calendar this takes us up to the end of August, so it's possible Who starts again in the first week of September
Ep 7
Now onto the bit about Rory being plastic. The Doctor mentioned that he had to reboot the universe, and now Rory is no longer plastic.
I'm rewatching season 5. Min mentioned hearing the Silents noise in the first episode, but it also appears in Flesh and Stone (the second part of the two part Angels story). When Amy is kneeling in the forest with her eyes closed, just before the Doctor talks to her on the communicator, you can hear the 'rattle' noise that the Silents make.
Also in that episode the head cleric says that River had gone to prison for killing a good man. I had forgotten about this, but I am now following he theory that River is the one in the spacesuit that kills the Doctor. However I don't think it is the adult river that kills him as why would she need the spacesuit? She has always appeared as herself. I think it is the child version of River that kills the Doctor, and she is then locked away in Stormcage, from where the Doctor takes her away at various times.
12 years ago
Mon Jun 13 2011, 12:59pm
Now that the latest episode has aired (twice) in Australia does that mean everybody has caught up? Can we dispense with the spoiler tags?
Just in case we can't (episode 7):
Even if it was River as a child in the spacesuit, how would she end up in prison over it? That is to say which policing authority would have even known it was her, let alone managed to catch her and lock her up? At the scene of the crime whoever was in the suit got away without anybody but the Doctor knowing who it was.
As for how the spacesuit/shooting related to the Silent: it seems logical that if they've been hanging around on earth for ages they'd know that the Doctor would try to stop them doing whatever it is they're trying to do, but it doesn't seem so logical that they'd try to stop him by kidnapping the daughter of the Doctor's friend and raising her up and sticking her in a spacesuit to shoot him. Surely beings that can make anybody including the Doctor forget seeing them could have managed to sneak up and kill him themselves, especially when that one in the restroom demonstrated that they can kill - and if that whole build up of energy method seemed too likely to alert the Doctor to the danger they could've gone for a more quotidian method like pulling out a gun. What was the point of the NASA spacesuit?
I wouldn't dispense with them, because there are always people who have to tape the show, or even those that will start watching it later on and then come back to watch the previous seasons. It's not that much effort to use spoiler tags anyway and it's always better to be safe than sorry! :)
More post-ep 7 theories
Nnnnn - interesting thought about how the Silents all fit in. We know the gamma forest people hate the Doctor and want to kill him, which is why they kidnapped Amy and stole her daughter. And the lizard-lady (can't remember her name or race) said that it'd be likely that eye-patch-lady would have taken Melody to Earth to raise her in the right environment, which ties in with the girl in the spacesuit. So I wonder where the Silents come in, because there were a lot of them in the house where she was raised and they're the ones that started the space race in order to get the suit. Maybe eye-patch-lady brokered a deal? Maybe they didn't know she was going to kill the Doctor, they were doing it for some other reason...? And then maybe the Silent who was there knows who it was / followed spacesuit person and reported them so she was arrested...? Possibly a little bit far fetched!
Hopefully by the end of the season (ie, the six episodes after the 11 week break) we'll know if the Doctor really is dead, and who shot him, which if it was young-River/Melody means we'll know her crime and maybe how she was caught. And if it wasn't we probably won't... Although, since Amy thinks the girl in the spacesuit was her baby (because of the photo in her room), there might be some serious questions at the beginning of the next section to River about "Did you kill the Doctor in a spacesuit when you were younger?!" :P