The emoticons showing up in your post pretty much say it all:
:O !lol :O :p :p
Anyway - to business :P I was watching DW Confidential from episode 1 (Astronaut), and Moffat was there saying that Amy's pregnancy is very important. So there goes my theory of it being a passing thing :P
But yeah, what gets me now is that she's obviously not pregnant now (as in Ep 2 now). The start of ep 2, is what, 3 or 6 months later than the end of ep 1? And she's not showing. So either she really wasn't pregnant and just made a mistake, or something in that room at that time made her believe she was. Something like...proximity to the little girl in the space suit, or the Silence implanted the idea themselves.
There was a moment in ep2 where someone said (rather pointedly), you only live once. That got me thinking, maybe not, maybe one of them is living twice. Maybe the little girl is Amy Pond, as a child. There's so much pointing to the little girl being Amy's daughter, almost like it's too obvious...that they're wanting us to believe that. There's a couple of other points:
- the Silence (brr!) capturing Amy and telling her she has something to do for them.
- the Doctor sees that she's a match for the spacesuit, at the very end. I think that's supposed to make use believe a genetic match (hence the girl was related to her), but it could have also literally meant her.
Anyway if the little girl is Amy; there's only one way she could have regenerated at the end. Chameleon arc turned her into a Time Lord for some reason.
If the little girl is Amy's daughter; she might be River Song. Which means the man that River kills IS the Doctor (if the little girl is the person in the spacesuit at the beginning of Ep 1 who shoots the Doctor, too). Which means that we'll likely get a new Doctor at the end of this season?
I don't know :P and what's bugging me is knowing that we're not simply going to know in a few weeks time, since this season is being split into two. We'll probably not know the answers to these things until October or November this year. GAH!
I'm excited to see what the new season brings too - but I still don't believe that Matt Smith is the Doctor. I said it in the sms-convo MK and I were having today and I'll say it again; newWho is like...Torchwood. It's like he's leading a Torchwood team. He has some idea of what he's doing, but he's not the Doctor.
I do wish I could see him as the Doctor, though. It's brilliant writing, and brilliant characters.
Oh, and echo the 'um, awkward' moment when Song/Doctor kissed at the end. He's 12 and she's 86, I mean, come on... :-/ they're just not convincing me at all.
Watched The Impossible Astronaut just then, at 5 in the morning as you do, and wow. This was what I was looking forward to with Moffat at the helm that didn't quite seem to cut it last season.
Those monsters are awesome. It is definitely that playing on the senses that makes it so intense. And so frustrating for the viewer who can remember what the characters themselves can't. Couldn't help but think they seemed a bit like a dementer if it were to be in Men in Black, cause they sucked the life out of that woman and wore tuxes.
The pregnancy moment was interesting. She revealed it to the doctor like a second before she shot the girl astronaut so I couldn't help but think the astronaut was her baby. Just because that would be such an ugh thing for them to do.
Ashling Guildmistress
13 years ago
Mon May 02 2011, 04:06pm
Ashling Guildmistress
Mage
Smuppet - haha I like your theory about the crossover of the monstas that ep - it's strangely fitting ^.^
N to the power of 6:
Re. Speculation - :P I'm on rather mixed views on that on myself - on one hand, I hate spoilers, because it eliminates the fun out of the build up and lead up to speculating what might happen and drawing together the seemingly loose ends or minor details that help make up the bigger picture answer. And then, I guess in saying that :P I do like speculating because even though I'm theorising, I'm not *usually* right, and when I finally have the answer at hand, I like it when things all make sense in the end.
I also like to use speculating about TV shows and books as my way of trying to work out the reasonings behind happenings in real life - because, after all, isn't the fiction we read made up based, in part, of the truth - even a distortion of it? And unlike real life, at least TV shows and books can offer an answer/ confirmation to determine if my speculations of certain thought processes were correct :P
And yes, more often than not, I may have very well wasted time in the speculations or trivialities in the matter, but I think I maintain (perhaps a childish/naive view :P) that perhaps through all the wasted and mistakes made that I may stumble across the correct answer to a situation eventually ^.^
But I digress ~~
Re. the teasers etc. - perhaps the opening for the previous ep was to help remind viewers what happened from last time? I personally find them annoying as well and I usually don't like watching teaser trailers either (& even though I like trying to work out things - I prefer to draw on the clues at hand, rather than spoilers) so I tend to ignore them or fast forward for the most part ^.^;;
EDIT: Well, maybe not so much annoying as to pointless and I'd rather just get straight into watching the show ^.^;
13 years ago
Tue May 03 2011, 10:51pm
The recap in the opening sequence wasn't that annoying as long as they don't do it every episode.
Amy's 'I'm pregnant' moment seemed awkward but at the same time it was interesting too. My first thought was Oh Lud the Silence are impregnating humans! apart from that I really don't know what to make of it or the episode in general. There are a few rumors going around that suggest that River is Amy's daughter but I doubt it.
I've got big expectations for the second part. :P
12 years ago
Thu May 05 2011, 04:23pm
MK! Re: 1st post on this page.
There are female Time Lords, we just haven't seen any in new Who :( But Romana and Rani were both female Time Lords. (I rather desperately want Rani back. She was wonderfully evil and the three-way fights of the Doctor vs the Master vs Rani, when they are all running about trying to destroy each others plots and blackmail each other into temporary truces to gang up on the other, were epic. She also turned people into sentient trees and was slightly obsessed with dinosaurs- hence why she became such a favourite with kid me :D )
12 years ago
Thu May 05 2011, 08:23pm
++Note++
When people are spoilering text, can they please state which ep they are going to talk about. A couple of times I'v accidentally read stuff for ones I haven't sen yet.
12 years ago
Sun May 08 2011, 09:47am
Watched episodes 1 & 2 last night - whoa!! Mind completely blown! Although I think the first ep was a bit better than the second, but they were still fantastic.
Also, right after I'd watched episode 1 I was walking through my house (at night, home alone) and there was this creepy loud noise and I was sooooo freaked out!! I think it was my cat trying to pull up the heating vent because I think he did it again later (and he pulls the heating vent out in my room all the time, so I think he's just branching out to other areas of the house), but I was really paranoid for a good ten minutes there. Can't believe I got scared by a kids TV show!
Ok, so on to some thoughts from episode 1:
I agree with Josie, I thought Amy knew she had something to tell the Doctor and it was really vitally important (ie, about the aliens), but because she couldn't remember what it was she got confused and told him the other thing she had to tell him (but not as vital), that she was pregnant. Debatable as to whether she only thought she was pregnant because she kept feeling sick or whether there were other things and she'd wanted to tell him before the episode started too. For a little while there, when Amy and then River were feeling sick, I thought the aliens were impregnating them!
And on to episode 2:
I think the girl is Amy's daughter (but I didn't think of it being River, but I doubt it), and I think Amy is pregnant. I think the problem is that the girl has a time head (heh...) and so she sort of flicks in and out of existence (hence the Tardis scanner), which leads to other things like being able to regenerate. A bit like in the Time Traveller's Wife where they think she keeps having miscarriages because the foetuses start time travelling, or even Friday-foetus surviving in the Thursday Next books.
I loved how every time they needed to convince people they just dragged the president out! Hilarious!
Wonder where they got the cool blocks to build the prison.
I really want to know what the Silence were trying to do with the little girl! They clearly needed her which is why crazy orphanage man was raising her and they built her a suit. But for what?!
Also, loved the Doctor's method of solving the problem with the Silence (the moon landing video). My only thing was that I felt it was a bit too easy, the first episode was setting everything up and then the second ep was sort of "Ok, that problem's easy to solve, but here's some more setting up of other problems." I just wanted it to be a little bit harder since they've been on the planet since the beginning of humanity!!
Oh, and on River. I liked all her stuff about how their timelines are going opposite ways, and it's really sad, but remember that the Doctor actually jumps around all the time, he doesn't just go linearly like she does. So, she's actually already met him on that day when he doesn't remember her - in the library.
Also, in the first Confidential episode Stephen Moffat promised we'd be getting some answers this series!! YES!!! Including some more about River. But he did say we wouldn't get all the answers, and as Min points out the series is being split in the middle so it could be October before we know :( Still, ANSWERS!!
EDIT: Oh, and DO there were some answers to your questions in the two Confidential episodes: (more spoilers for ep 1&2)
Yes, the spaceship was from 'The Lodger'. I knew I recognised it but it wasn't until late in episode 2 that I realised from where.
They said they based the aliens on the Scream painting and the kind of generic picture of an alien, with the idea that because we saw them all the time their image was sort of imprinted on the psyche even though we don't remember them.
Yep, apparently we are going to find out about River - thank god!
I loved that episode! When it came on I almost screamed with joy I was so excited XD There were just a few things I wasn't clear on and a few theories I may have:
The little girl killed the doctor.. Was it her or was the spacesuit making her do it? why did they need her to control it. I'm think it had something to do with her being a timelord. If she is the doctors daughter why is she so young? Maybe it could be the other child he mentioned he had when he was david tennant when he says "I was a father once." I think he thought she died but she might of escaped when gallifrey was being destroyed and has regenerated so he doesn't recognise her. I agree that the silence had something to do with Amy's pregnancy though why they would do that I am eager to know!
12 years ago
Sun May 08 2011, 03:06pm
Oh, Nightwatcher reminded me of something else I wanted to say!
(Spoilers for eps 1&2)
I wonder if it was someone else in the suit, not the little girl, who killed the Doctor. I mean, a) the suit can walk around without anyone in it (remember River's theory about the spaceman actually 'eating' the girl like she was worried about on the phone) and b) it's an adult sized suit, surely it wouldn't take that much to be able to modify it slightly to fit an adult.
Also, I think I need to go see the Doctor's daughter episodes (I missed them) so I can join in on your theories!
EDIT: And, derrr, of course the little girl would presumably be 40 years older anyway, so it'd have to be fitting an adult now anyway.
Ep 1 & 2
When the Doctor died in the first Episode and they sent him out on the lake, it could just be his body. Not his soul. After all teh Master lived on in a pocketwatch didn't he?
Another theory about the little girl could be that she is the daughter of River Song and the Doctor. That would explain how she can regenerate.
The face in the door hatch coulld be a memory or hologram or something like that because it seemed as if the person couldn't see Amy.
Was anyone else reminded of an episode with Rose and the Doctor, where the teachers were part bat and slept upside down on the roof of the school? That's what I thought of when I saw all the silence sleeping on the ceiling. [act]shudders[/act]
Yes, I did recognise the alien control room from the lodger. The alien that was luring people into the building, did we find out who/what that was? Because I was thinking it had some connection to the Silence.
The episodes just keep getting more complex. Lots to ponder. . .
12 years ago
Tue May 10 2011, 05:38pm
I think the point of the spoiler tags at this point is that some people are maintaining the Australian viewing schedule, while others are keeping up with BBC's schedule (so a few of us are a week ahead of others).
What I don't get about the 'Suit' that kills the Doctor is that he says 'it's okay, I know it's you' in a way that makes me think they're not an enemy. That's why I'm thinking either duplicate Doctor caused by time paradox, or Song...
And nnnn - that's what I mean, that because River is going to get younger as the series progresses, eventually they'll have to have someone else play her.
Ep 3
DO - re the TARDIS being taken by the Siren - Paul commented, what if she took the TARDIS because of the broken Chameleon circuit? That's technically an injury.
The Curse of the Black Spot was very good, anyway, and left me feeling sad at the end. What was happening reminded me so much of the Empty Child from the very beginning. Alien tech, trying to help, and misunderstanding things.
Next week's episode is Neil Gaiman's, right? :D Can't WAIT. OOD!!
12 years ago
Tue May 10 2011, 02:08am
On the spacesuited character:
The small part of the face you see briefly in the suite before the cutaway is very wrinkled and pale, and the only thing which matches that description is The Silence.
Watch that scene again very closely and you'll see what I mean
On Ep3
Min: I think it was more to do with the TARDIS being in pain when the Doctor was trying to start her up, and the Doctor has fixed the chameleon circuit before, as the TARDIS turned into a piano once (think it was in the 7th Doctor story 'Remembrance of the Daleks')
Has no-one else noticed the woman with the silver eye-patch that keeps appearing as a hatch opens randomly? I bet it is significant!
12 years ago
Tue May 10 2011, 05:39pm
Oh that's right!
(BBC schedule spoilers)
I'd forgotten he'd fixed it. Thanks DO!
I've noticed the woman but I'm yet to speculate on her part...mainly because it's like they WANT us to speculate on her... :P she's clearly out of place whenever she's shown up thus far. She sounds like a midwife, but I guess it could be a bit of misdirection. Or they could be making her obvious, so that we'll think she's too obvious and speculate endlessly on what else she could be when she is actually exactly what it says on the tin :P
It seems like she's part of the Pregnancy story arc but what if she's not? What other arc's have we got this series and could she be connected to those?
Speaking of the pregnancy, Amy's baby is out of phase or something. Or being hidden from her. Maybe her baby IS Silence personified or humanised, so you forget it as soon as you've looked away from it. That includes any effect it'd be having on her body? Maybe?
I'll have to rematch the opening shooting and try catch a glimpse of the face...
And I wonder when we'll see thelittle regenerating girl next? Or was she regenerating? She seemed to know what was going on, like the healing had happened before and not fully regenerated her..?
12 years ago
Tue May 10 2011, 08:32am
On the girl
Yeah, she did seem to know what was happening when she regenerated. Just a thought though, when the Doctors daughter regenerated, she returned to the same form. Now, Time Lords can choose their appearance for their regeneration (Romana went through quite a few choices, not all of them human), but most of them choose a different persona. The one or two exceptions to this are The Master and The Rani. However, a Time Lords form can be somewhat random when regenerating under stress.
Another point to note is the 'throwaway' line spoken by River Song in the first episode: “Timelord’s cells are incredibly valuableâ€. I suspect this may have something to do with the girl, but i'm not sure what yet
On The Silence
Reading through some Who Theory forum posts, it seems we may have overlooked a few things from last season (I will have to rewatch these and check)
The Silence were referenced to many times in season 5. When Amy first came into the TARDIS with the Doctor in the Eleventh Hour, she looked terrified for a second, and then turned and asked the Doctor a question. In Victory to the Daleks, you can hear the Silence in the background when the Doctor is asking Amy if she remembers the Daleks. In the Lodger, right after the time loop of the Football game, Amy looks to the left, and looks scared for a second, and then she looks away again. In this instance, she even shouted at the Silence.
....It is likely that there is more to Amy’s story, because in the Eleventh Hour, there are stairs to a 3rd floor, but it’s only a 2 story house (perception filter probably). Her door is blue, and the entrance to her house is kind of built like a TARDIS.
12 years ago
Tue May 10 2011, 05:21pm
On the spacesuit (spoilers for ep 1 & 2):
If it is the Silence, how come they all remember it happening? I mean, depending on what form of techno babble they want to use maybe you only forget them if you see it is them, but since you always forget their clothes as well as them (for instance some wore suits and then wasn't one wearing something different? Maybe the guy in the cell?), then it could be that you'd forget them in a space suit too. Unless that's why they wanted them built, so they could do things seen. But surely just wear a motorbike helmet or something! :P
Guys, please remember to label what episode your spoiler is from, and to separate your post into sections if you're talking about more than one epsiode (eg if you're replying to the spacesuit theory and talking about ep 3, DO's posts are a good example) Australia is a week behind the BBC, and people often have to tape episodes and watch them later anyway :)
About the spacesuited figure-
If it is a Silent (thanks for finding that out), I don't understand at all why the Doctor would allow himself to be shot. And his 'it's okay, I know it's you' sounds like an individual, not a member of the collective (which don't seem to have individuality, at least at this point in time).
And...if it's not the Doctor himself in the spacesuit, that means they have to stop it from happening entirely.Â
I wonder why that Silent was on the hill at the shooting? Did it get an invite? Or was it making sure the suit turned up? Perhaps the ramifications of getting all humans to kill the Silents...is considered a sort of genocide, that the Doctor takes responsibility for and...actually no because then it'd be a planned execution not an assassination, unless he ran (which he said he was doing).
Argh, I don't know T_T
On the spacesuit some more!
I agree Min, I thought it was the kind of thing you'd say to someone, an individual. Of course, I guess you could say it to, say, the last Silent (if, for instance, the rest are gone or dead and this one is hiding in a spacesuit so no one recognises him and kills him)