Hi Rheagor, welcome to obernet!
*dpm* : [act]grumbles[/act]
Sian: [act]gags the double post monster[/act] Pay no mind the crazy talking post box ~:|
It's generally a good idea to try to avoid double (or triple :P ) posting to help keep the threads neat and to stop the double post monster from grumbling ;)
If you want to add something to a discussion after you've already posted, you can do so by editing your post. The edit button is found only on your own posts and is to the left of the quotation button, which I think you've already found. This thread is a bit exceptional in that you're not supposed to edit the post in which you declare your destroyer, but editing other posts is fine :)
Also, this thread isn't necessarily the best place to get into a discussion, more of a place to declare who you believe the destroyer to be before the next book release so as to (hopefully) solicit bragging rights upon it's publication. That said, discussion is definitely encouraged and we have lots of other threads for that purpose, or if you don't think your theory fits any of them, make a new one. You can still quote what people have said here in other threads :)
Anyways, welcome again and I hope you enjoy your time here! :D
Just a quick note to add that Mods can edit posts as I've done with one. Also have added all nominations to the first post in this thread.
Getting the thread back on track...
Larana, for the record, that excel/points thing you did a while back on another thread totally cracked me up laughing. That is sensational. I want to share your statistical Talent so badly!!!
My vote is Dameon. I agree the other popular candidates have their fair share of evidence, but I can't help but think that if I were in the writer's seat, I'd totally make it Dameon. There's all sorts of strange little oddities surrounding him that it all fits perfectly in my mind. But hey, time will tell, and if it's not him it'll be a nice surprise.
I wonder if the accident that occurs will be triggered by a pig, though, just in homage to our theories :) That would be the height of awesome. D'you think we could petition IC nicely...?
Why thank you...I may need to update it in light of new information from the Sneding.
I still don't see how the Destroyer can be anyone other than Ariel, given that in the Sending
Rheagor says, "...if the Brildane do not go with the Innle, all will come to darkness and destruction at the hands of the dinrai that tha do call Ariel and tha enemy..." (page 489) That's not Elspeth talking, that's Rheagor talking of what he saw seliga.
Loren, I think that dinrai is probably the wolves equivalent to H'rayka who we also know as being Ariel but which is not a term that is synonymous with Destroyer. All these red herrings in names and terms are certainly confusing though, but everything that IC has said about the Destroyer seems to allude that Ariel will probably manipulate them into becomming such, thus why Ariel is known as H'rayka and dinrai.
Shonk, I believe it says somewhere in the dialogue with the wolves that dinrai is the word for beastspeaking human - it certainly isn't H'rayka, since Rheagor calls Elspeth herself dinrai. I get what you're saying about all the different names though.
Ooh right, sorry. I read you post wrong and thought you were saying dinrai meant destroyer.
I need to learn to concentrate.
It seems that the Destroyer is Ariel pretty conclusively. Atthis, Maruman, and Galtha all speak of guarding the dreamtrails against the H'rayka and aside from the Futuretellers and Elspeth(I think that even though she can't futuretell now that she'll be able to later in life as that's when the talent generally develops) none are known to have a working knowledge of the dreamtrails. So the H'rayka has to be a futureteller and no futureteller at Obernewtyn fits the mold for the H'rayka.
We all know Ariel is defective. He uses his powers in ways no one else does because of his warped view of the world. His revealed powers are empathy and coercion but I think he developed weak futuretelling around the same time Elspeth did. It seems likely he wasn't aware of what the dreamtrails were and their true nature and so his first ventures are petty attacks. In fact, we know it took him a while to figure out that event have to play out a certain way for the future he wants to come about(e.g. the events with Domick and the virus). Through a process that was glossed over and never fully explained he learned to create nulls to augment his unreliable futuretelling abilities, which were warped anyway.
In short, I believe that Ariel is the Destroyer because he's the only futureteller with sufficient motive and disagreeable nature needed.
Nobody is that nice.
I think that Daffyd would do anything to get Gilaine back.
And in Ashling, when they are sailing to Sador, Elspeth observed that Daffyd looked fanatical with hatred for what Ariel had done, and that he didn't look far from madness.
What if Ariel forced Daffyd to become the destroyer, by promising to give him Gilaine and Lidgebaby back, or threatened to hurt them if Daffyd didn't do what Ariel wanted?
With about a year till we find out for sure, it's interesting to note that poor Dameon has the most votes for the position of Destroyer.
Daffyd = 8
Matthew = 7
Jes = 6
Ariel = 4
Rushton = 2
Agyllians = 2
Salamander = 2
Louis Larken = 1
Elii = 2
Rosamund = 1
Elspeth = 1
Dragon = 1
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy... :P
I really don't think it's Dameon. I vote Elii
GAH, how am I supposed to choose.
I've always thought Jes, so I guess that's where I have to put my vote. But really it could almost be anyone, I've though it might have been the Agyllians at one point, but certainly not convinced on that. Of course I've thought maybe it is Ariel, in some weird double-red-herring thing, where Isobelle makes it so obvious, that everyone thinks it can't be him, so we put suspicion on everyone else, but that too sounds stupid, and we'd all feel let down by that. So Jes it is, since it would make sense, but I don't really think I'm going to be right.
It can't be Salamander or Dragon because Isobelle said the Destroyer was in the first book. And an interview she did said Jes was definitely dead, but someone said she changed that.
You can't know Salamander wasn't in the first book, what if the really annoying girl with the red dye still on her face grew up to become Salamander? What if Salamander is really the wet behind the ears herder, or one of the councilman at the hearing, or Obernewtyn's representative at the hearing, or one of the temporary guardians, or Jes, or Daffyd, or one of the Norse twins, or Sly Willy? [strike]What if Matthew's kidnapping was just a really elaborate plot to explain his disappearance so that he could handle his operations first hand?[/strike] Salamander could be anyone :P
Very true Sian! Just like the Destroyer, it could be anyone!
PML Sian. Am I the only one who wouldn't be disappointed if Ariel was the destroyer?
Daniel, do you still want to vote Jes or have you changed your mind?
I'm sticking with Jes, thanks Deb
I'm pretty sure it's been pushed back to next year by Penguin who are quite picky with their release dates. :)
And I'm still betting on Dameon. The Sending did make me consider Matthew a little more but Dameon suits my desire for a tragic horrible 'Y U NO LOVE ME' end a little more :P
I am still with Dameon too. For exactly the same reasons.
The release is probably (and I stress probably) early next year, Isobelle hasn't even finished the book yet (she's writing it now...) so they can't publish it for a while yet. Apparently the date they were advertising was actually the date IC would be finished writing the book, not the publication date.
Anyway back to the real reason of this thread...
Can I just take this opportunity to hiss @ Shonk - you are a ROMANTIC