20 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:14pm
Tarsin for Shadowman, do you mean Min?
hm... but that'd kinda be like upsurping his own rule... ???
However, did anyone notice that all the prominent bad guys are in fact Women?
I don't know if I agree with Glynna being the Unraveller. It was made pretty clear at the end of Darksong that Ember was the Unraveller, why is everyone questioning this? Its like Ariel being the Destroyer, just because its obvious doesn't mean its wrong. I know you could argue that the signs also apply to Glynna, with her blonde hair and tone deafness. But being called "half blind" just because you can't hear music sounds pretty harsh to me.
20 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:14pm
Well, if you think about it, Keltor depends on Music and Song, so therefore it could be seen as a half-blindness.
I mean, that guy on ... the Emerald Isle was seen as an outcast, wasn't he? Because he was tone-deaf?
Its not harsh. Its perception ;)
I think Ember is the Unraveller. But I don't think it has all the importance people place on it. The Soulsaver is what will matter, and that's Glynna.
KSL
Um...
Yeah. Well.
Until Darkbane comes out we can theorise all we want.
Has ayone got a WEIRD theory?
20 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:16pm
Yeah, there was that bit where...
*runs up and gets Evermore cd as notices the Void in the computer*
Ahh... sorry about that :D
Um... Ronall or Wind, not sure who, says something about Glynna being the light to be shielded and it was Ember, amazingly, who was casting a shadow over Glynna's "radiance" and stopping her from being noticed by the Void Spirit, whatever you want to call him. Chaos dude, thats it. Um... what does that mean for you people?
20 years ago
Fri May 16 2008, 04:20pm
To me, it means that Ember is in the spotlight - being noticed as the Unraveller at the end of Darkfall, fitting the literal prophecy description, meeting and greeting and associating with the higher people. All the attention around Ember detracts from Glynna's being on Keltor. And after Darksong, it seems to be the way that Ronall wanted it.
20 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:19pm
i agree with you min. for watever reason - whether ember is the unraveller or not she is the one that is gettin all the attention. which is good! it started from the moment she landed really - that she was actually found a stranger and helped along by alene (sp?) and the mirdrums first - it keeps the focus on her. im sure all of their fuss would distract the chaos spirit from searching for another stranger. especially since it was mentioned to being sooo rare that 2 would come at once. becuase of this fuss placed on ember glynna has the more important role. i think that is mentioned quiet clearly throughout the second book too (and a bit in the first). problably just as clearly as ember being the unraveller. what that role is i dont know.
im starting to think its not even that important to free landor (sp?) spirit which is what the soulsaver is ment to do. i dont know what has given me that thought. but i think that will be a consequence of her action but not what her quest is. in fact why cant her quest be to protect her sister - which is what it always has been. ember has always been doted on and looked after - including a great deal by glynna. so why cant glynna's role be to protect ember. maybe somethin about being her sister or knowing about embers death/cancer may tilt somethin in their favour. i still belive that the cancer/tumor is a form of choas - as it isnt ordely (thats cancer - uncontrolible cells with no patterns). so the choas spirit maybe able to influence embers choices from there - tho whole dark/good ember arguements shes goin thru.
ember is the prawn. this makes her the perfect unraveller. because ronnal/landor (or watever his name is) bargined with the choas spirit in order to restore harmony. to do this the unykorn has to be released and the only person able to do so in the unraveller. since ronall 'planned' it this way of course the choas spirit would know about it and have his own way of tipping the scales and preventing the unraveller to do its job. everyone agree?! so to combat this u need someone to 'save' the unraveller, some who isnt goin to be known - a secret. so ronall or watever greater power made glynna the secret. *shrugs*
so as the secret -shes not the unraveller, or the soulsaver. but someone else - a myridrom to ember. and this then makes snookor the soulsaver :) which i wat i think he is :) i no he seems to be embers protector too...but i think its goin to be a combination of the three of them in the end. he's a sly little character - anyones thoughts on wat he's up to?!
well thats my two cents..thats what i managed to talk myself into just now. so if it doesnt make sense let me know. and sorry if its already been said before.
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:22pm
Lol! MBT strikies again!
I think Ember is the Unraveller. She saves the Unkykorn from the chaos spirit, and Glynna (as the soulsaver) saves Lanalor's soul :)
I would say more but i have to get off the computer...
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:23pm
Yay! My first ever post about the Legendsong, now that I've finally finished reading them.
And I'm blown away by the theories everyone has! It's like my first reaction to the Obernewtyn theories ("What? Ariel might not be the destroyer?")
My initial thoughts....
- I like the theory that both Ember AND Glynn are the Unraveller and the Soulsaver in combination, rather than one being the other.
However it's definitely true that Ember has all the attention so that Glynn can carry out the important tasks. It takes the combination of the both of them to achieve their purposes.
- I had never thought about Tarsin being the Shadowman. And yes, I like the idea that he's not as crazy as he appears. I'd never thought of him being like Maruman but now I can see that as an obvious parallel
- Lev - definitely important. And he's definitely more than just a minescrape worker. I'm quite convinced that he's a spy - but whether for the Shadowman or someone else, I'm not sure
- The tumour is Chaos? I'd never thought about that before! But I like it. ;D
- The guy who's been in the hospice for years is Lanalor? It sounds weird but it also sounds like a good theory!
They're my thoughts for now. I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm SO excited.
And Miska, I never realised you were so keen on Legendsong theories! No wonder you asked me so many questions once I'd finished reading them!
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:25pm
yea legendsong is why im here really :) i enjoyed ober but i just loved these books...so i cant wait to hear wat else u have to say :)
Siara i like how u've phrased ur opinion :) and sorry about the MBT :P hehehe...but yes i think its more fitting for ember to save his soul. its kinda like another test for llandor - can he actually do what he knows is rite!
roz u mentioned in the library that the comet/fight/war climax at the end of the book - i liek that idea and can see it being somethin IC would do :) plus it would tie EVERYTHING in very nicely! :) O_o i think u did mention a possiblity of tarsin being the shadowman too :P heheh anyway ....yes anyone have any other thoughts....im actually goin to go htru ur stuff again roz cos ur comments made me think of a few things :)
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:25pm
Gotta love a bit of legendsong. Go Solen, Go Solen, its ya birthday honey :)
We love lanalor/ronall. I think that he'll still have a big part to play, even though hes dead and the only way that hes sorta alive is that part of his soul lives in the void :-/
does anyone have any thoeires as to what will happen to the Draaka? or Coralyn, for that matter. or just the end in general??? Does anhyone think embers soulweaving of glynn falling off a cliff after solens sorta died is true?
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:26pm
Just quickly - I think Ember seeing Glynna fall off a cliff could be a possible future. Didn't Lanalor look at all possible futures before putting all his hopes on the future that would save him? Maybe Ember's motivation for success will be that if she fails, Glynna falling off a cliff is a certain future.
Coralyn will be imprisoned - I'm certain of it. Eventually. When Tarsin stops his charade of being a half wit and the world realises he's the Shadowman and the king they should respect. ;D
I've always had the thought that Tarsin was the Shadowman it would complete the circle of thought I have with his connection to the drug addicted Shadow from Embers (our) world... well it would make sence to me.
oh and I agree with the 'just quickly' from min if I saw one of my brothers or Toria die and I had someway of stopping it that would be my motovation
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:27pm
Whoa. theyre dead. Soz, teacher just walked in in a bad mood. Watch out!
Yeah, drug-addicted, Skitzo Ember. How fun. Might the shadow ember just disappear because ember has been acknowledged as the Unraveller? Or, with the curance of the cancer, will shadow just go poof? or will it just stay?! I DONT KNOW! GIVE ME THEORIES! i think it'll go with the healing tho :)
I think your getting cofuzzed here I just ment that there was a simularity that I saw sheared between the kid Shadow and Tarsin, as there both seem part of something bigger then they let on.
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:28pm
Errrr... what kid shadow???!!!
Anyone got anything on lev? hes shifty... too knowledgable. And hes from Myrmidor. I think hes a Myrmidon agent. :P lol, either that or Soonkars the soulsaver. SOO BLOODY CONFUSING!
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:28pm
there's a kid in Glynn/Ember's world called 'Shadow'. He's the cold one they found that had overdosed and he's in hospital now. The segue bits deal with him a little in Darksong, and I think he was found in Darkfall, though he didn't have a name then.
Lev rocks :P there's definately more too him though.
yeah i think that shadow is an important part of the story in some way but maybe also the boy who sits with him in the hospise or whatever it is. it was saying in the book that embers tumor is something like the chaos spirit or the void or something and i think it might have been mentioned above but does anyone else think that maybe dark ember is the chaos spirit talking to ember in her mind and that for a while it had control over her and made her despair when she came over to keltor the voice didnt have that much control over her for a while maybe this was because chaos had lost touch with her and when he finds her again he uses ember to do what he wants, she hasent done anything to hurt anyone but maybe it is all part of a larger plan that the chaos spirit has in mind. bit of a wierd theory and i hope it made sense!
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:30pm
I've always wondered why the soulweavers chose Tarsin as the Holder, there has to be more to him. I like the idea of him being 'not as mad as he seems'. But I don't think it is possible of him being the Shadowman. Solen seems to be more fit for the rebel role.
I believe that Ember is the unraveller and Gylnn is the soulsaver. Maybe Glynns' feinna link has something to with saving Landalor's soul - Landalor/Ronnal has a feinna link. (I think)
Here are a few things that came to mind:
The 'Shadow' kid is in a coma and he has a close link to the chaos- he is fighting a battle, like Ember.
Ember was promised healing, but what if it was too late?
So, does that mean Ember will fall into a coma to defeat her chaos/tumour?
Is destroying Ember's chaos/tumour the key to defeating/ weakening the Chaos Spirit and freeing the Firstmade?
People:
It is probable that they will arive on Darkfall JUST not in time for signe to heal her fully. HOWEVER is it possible that she can be BLIND and then go through the soulweaver process so that she sees with her "spirit-eyes"? It could be probable, since the "big battle" could probably be in the Void, and she doesnt need her real eyes to see in the Void.
And Solen fits the rebel better. SO STOP SAYING THAT TARSIN IS THE SHADOWMAN. HE WOULNT UPSURP HIS OWN RULE.
Solen isn't the Shadownman!!
This is part of a deam Ember has on the way to the fire falls when she is on Iridom.
The martial-arts instructor turned and Ember realised that, after all, it was not Wind, but only someone who looked like him. "I know it sounds like madness, but I do know."
"Even if you are right, entering the palace would be a risk, but to enter the Iridomi compound is madness. If they catch you, you will technically be upon Iridom, and you can be sure they will hand you over to Jurass for execution, but only after Kalide has been at you. What would the Shadowman say to it?"--page 385 Darksong
This is a conversation between Solen and his "burly red-haired companion". This means that Solen is not the Shadowman (pretty poor evidence I know) but his companion does not refer to Solen as the Shadowman. They were talking as if the Shadowman was not there.
