19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 10:59pm
:) There's no question about it Dani. The Legendsong is complex! :P I had to read it twice before understood half of it and i'm still mixed up about Glynna and Ember ???. I want Glynn to be the Unraveller and Ember to be the SoulSaver, just coz i like Glynna better. Ember's a bit of a whiner.
Beth ::)
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 10:59pm
I agree Tasnim, Ember is most definately shielding Glynna from the Chaos demon - all her life Glynna seems to have been shielded from the worlds, kept in the background and seen as a nevish. But she's got such strength. I worry about the dream Ember keeps having of Glynn falling off a cliff though :-/
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:01pm
Guys, In Darksong there's a segue where Ronnall mentions something about glynna being "the bright light to be shielded from the notice of the chaos spirit"
However, the glynnavyre-shenavyre thingy I think is just an off-chance conncection, because Solen simply calls her that because he loved her :P duh, and Lanalor called shena shenavyre because he was totally besotted with her.
However, Glynna as the unraveller would be sort of making sense, but she doesn't fit the signs...
or does she?
half-blind: her tone-deafness
hair: is electric blonde
visioning: she does that
dying: because of her connection to ember, she might be also dying. Remember that void inside her she keeps on mentioning?
reason enough for me
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:01pm
thats pretty cool, she does fit the signs
i love the legendsong :) it makes no sense at all, hang on, the point is that it does ???
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:02pm
The Legendsong does make sense, but it will probably make more sense when Darkbane comes out. I still think Ember is the Unraveller, but Glynn will have something important to do in Darkbane. Its in her personality. Maybe she will stop Ember from dying or help her in someway? ???
Like she will end up having a bigger role than Ember.
19 years ago
Fri May 16 2008, 04:22pm
I think Glynna for Unraveller!
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:03pm
Ho hum... I dont know...
But, Dani, think about it. They said somewhere that the Shadowman... i think... would not act like he's in charge and be everywhere, ie. Eyes Only, Salamander et cetera. (No, the dashy is there because he looks cool :D) So, it could be possible, that Solen doesnt like being a bystander and wants to get involved with his coup by being a prominent figure?
OK, i have read the Legendson book a few times know, but i need a bite of help!! who is everyone in relastion to the prophicies?? like Solen is the Shadowman, but who is Glynna and Ember??? i thought i had it all figured out, but then i read something somewere and it turned everything upside down!! *BAH* so can someone please tell me!?!?!? i would REALLY love to know beofre the next one comes out.
which hopefully will be out after The Sending!!! *fingures crossed*
thanzs a bunch ppl!!!
Glynna and Ember are interwined as the Soulsaver and Unraveller. However, if you carefully think about it, the prophecies outlines could both be put to both of the sisters. Ember for the obvious resons.
But Glynna: yellow hair could be considered to be like flame: remember, solen talked about her like that one? Half blind: her tone deafness. Because, to the Keltans, tone deafness is considered to be half blind. She is dying because of that grey void inside of her, but she doesnt have to be technically dying. And she also soulweaves abit.... Eh.
We dont know who the Shadowman is, but you're quite welcome to speculate Phedre
Apparently, Darkbane will be coming out the year after the sneding, so thats not too long to wait, I suppose.
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:05pm
I'm not sure, my legendsong is a bit fuzzy, but someone mentioned that the unraveller or soulsaver had red and gold hair? And i'm pretty sure i've heard them (unraveller and soulsaver) being one in the same, this fits, because ember and glynna are twins yes? So really they could be considered one in the same?
I know i'm just rambling on here but i thought i'd point that out :)
It's about time more talk about the legendsong came out!!!
Gahltha ~ Watcher of Days
I still think the whole 'crowned in flame' part of the prophecy could be dealing with auras. Soulweavers see auras rather than physical appearances and the prophecy was written so that a soulweaver would be able to identify the Unraveller, not your average Joe.. I imagine Embers aura to be dull, unless she's playing music. Glynn on the other hand...she seems so positive all the time. Her aura would be striking, and glowing madly.
I've just got a feeling that we've got to look beyond what everyone else can see of the two girls. Perhaps that's what Ronall meant in saying that Ember is hiding Glynn. Ember's presence, with her physical 'glowing' beauty (and being a flaming red-head), makes everyone immediately assume that she's the Unraveller, becaues they can't see her aura.
However the soulweavers, who can't see Ember's beauty, would look at the twins totally differently. They would see Glynn's aura shining and assume she's the Unraveller, being 'crowned in flame' - a healthy, shining aura.
So by writing 'crowned in flame', Lanalor was perhaps counting on the 'mere mortals' to take the phrase literally on Keltor. Giving Glynn all the space, help and time she needs to accomplish her task...
Does it sound plausible?
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:06pm
Well, yes it is rather plausible. But the term 'crowned' i would think means something to do with the head? But other than that your theory is sound. Though a red aura i would think would be more dark and sinister like chaos?
??? Meh, who knows. But it would be a good twist if what you say is the case.
One thing that struck me as really odd about the Legendsong was that it seemed to be pushing the ideal of tolerance, and yet on Keltor the one chiefton who had anything resembling freedom of speech was ridiculed as an idiot and the characters -- even the good characters -- go into conniption fits whenever someone even hints at a blaspemous statement. Did anyone else notice that, or have any thoughts about it?
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:07pm
Ok...totally wacky theory time!
Right, I was thinking that maybe Glynna and Ember put together are the Unraveller? I mean, they are the complete opposite, twins and things. They both possess qualities that could help them free the Unykorn (or however it is they spell it...I can't blimmin' remember!) and defeat the Chaos spirit. Maybe it's a strategic thing - the Chaos spirit can't focus on two people as once? So if there were two people (who are the same person...spirit intertwined because of twin thing etc) who only met each other at the end of the journey, it would be more difficult for them to be discovered.
Another thing I find interesting are the hints the Ember has been protecting/shadowing Glynn from the Chaos spirit, in reference to their birth. It's mentioned that they didn't even know Glynn was there until after Ember was born (in her bloody wake...or something like that).
So, my theory? Yes, I know...feel free to throw tomatos!
Julia, I can see what you're saying about the tolerance thing. I thought of it more as a religious exploration, and how a world that has always believed in a certain ideal/legend copes when people give up their faith.
I think part of the reason the Holder of Keltor is ridiculed is beacuse of this loss of faith. Ad that is why he is the way he is, he no longer believes in the Legendsong. What that means, I ahve no idea. I may reread and evaluate! :)
I thought it was wind who was shielding her :-?
ohhh i like the twins thought! They gotta work together and all .....
OK so i have just finished both the books and i have established somthings.
1. I still think its ember for Unraveller because they all decare her so in the last part of Dark song and i dont think that such a big event would be placed there to throw us off the track. Also I cant see how Glynn is half-blind and yet seeing all... come to think of it It doesnt really explain Ember but that doesnt help my case!
2. Can some one explain to me what the Soul Saver does? I kno that the Unraveller has 2 free they unykorn but i didnt really read the scrolls so i didnt pick up on what the Soul saver has 2 do.
3. The watcher= Ronaall who = Lanalor (anagram)
and the other one who i cant remember is wind.
umm i'm gonna go through again and get quotes but please point out the wholes so i can explain them! lol
katherine
Katherine, Glynn being half blind, as I said before, could be her tone deafness that makes her half-blind.
No-one is really sure about the role of the Soul Saver, but it may be, a. To help the Unraveller realise her powers b. To help the tortured soul of the Unykorn (which might turn the Unykorn evil because of the frustration and anger at being trapped in the sphere of chaos) get better and be turned towards benevolence again so the Unykorn can help Keltor to be happy again c. Or to save the souls of all those turned against the song.
They're my theories.
Wind, however, is the spirit of Wind, who was Glynn's martial arts instructor. Thats easy.
I thought that the Soulsaver was supposed to save the part of Lanalor's soul that's held captive by Chaos, because it was explained so explicitly that Lanalor had given his soul into the keeping of Chaos until the Unraveller came, and that even if the Unraveller came his soul would probably not be released, because Chaos would betray him and use his soul and body to go around taking over worlds. Written like that, it makes me wonder why Lanalor would agree to such a bargain. A single chance to free the Unykorn versus a multitude of possibilities in which the Chaos spirit stalks around poisoning universes in Lanalor's body doesn't sound like reasonable betting odds to me. Then again, they do make a point of saying that Lanalor went mad for a while....
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:10pm
Well, it's one of those take-the-chance-or-risk-world-being-obliterated-if-both-fail kinda thing... i think :-/
I expect Lanalor's rumored madness stemmed from his barricading himself up to figure out how to make a porthole - and then spending more time creating it. Recluses are seen as crazy...he was probably a genius.
Wasn't there only one possible future in which Lanalor's soul could be saved? And that tiny glimmer of hope was what made him agree to the bargain.
Just that tiiiiny little glimmer, but a glimmer it was.
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:11pm
Hi all,
I haven't read all the posts in this thread - namely because there are 15 pages!!! So I apologise for any repetitive stuff here!
I reckon that Glynn is the unraveller and Ember is the soul saver. I think the soul would be lanalors as there is one thing Ronaal said to ember about how she must have courage for both their sakes, or something like that.
All through the books there are little hints (that I can't remember!) towards Glynn being the unraveller that are more subtle than those for ember - as if ember is hiding her sisters role from us as well as the chaos spirit. I know that Ronaal named Ember the unraveller, but Wind did say that he didn't know everything so he could be wrong about this like she was too precious to be overly noticed by Lanalor either...
Also, does anyone else think that the comatosed person (i.e. dark prince or something ??? is Wind - that would be interesting if it were for the third book...
I'm also leaning towards Solen's father being the shadowman, don't really know why. Maybe because the single time he was mentioned by solen was obscure and suspicious...
Yup, Siara. You are repeating a bit, but who really cares?
Its fodder for the thread. *mumbles about stupid people who refuse to reply*
However, the Wind thing is interesting. What made you think that?
19 years ago
Fri Jun 05 2009, 11:13pm
Dunno, the second reading of the two books kind of led me to that conclusion...like the fact wind's body was never recovered and that the hospice is a particularly important nexus for chaos and the song.
:D
I dunno...I still think it's Tarsin. Solen's father's never been mentioned...ever. It'd be like copping out and creating a new Destroyer character in OC just to make it convinient...